Better for who? - Crowdfunding to improve the CGtrader presence in the market. There are tons of things better here on CGtrader, most notably we get served very well for extremely low cost. I'm about to bail on this site now - unless I can find any other topics that I might be qualified to post toapparently if I'm friendly enough I can earn some points, but it's seriously unlikely that I'll find any topics to which I can actually contribute. This is why I would opt for a system which includes human sorting out capabilities. Cgtrader user interface is much more user friendly. They simply do not get the idea that Turbosquid is just another reseller for the real product developers, and Turbosquid management and "rules" promote exactly that. Money in short term does not always pay of in long run. I like how there is no join up fee. I will leave the items here to see if cg trader does manage to change things around over the next 12 months and if not will simply sell them on turbosquid. There are lots of fun ways can gain points on cg trader . And i cannot take care for piracy or stolen models because the 3d stuff will go in piracy anyways, doensnt matter the platform it comes from. personally CGTrader is the second site where I realize more sales, I think we should avoid generalizing his own experience. Payment Method I don't know if that is still the case ( and I have no desire to check ) but that is advertising that is hard to beat. When a buyer leaves a bad rating for a lame reason , TS investigate and contact the buyer and if he doesn't give a serious explanation, If you think life is hard as a buyer you should try modeling for a living Making any money is a truly miserable experience. TurboCrooks should be boycotted by artists since they are the one responsible for the situation! or I can just sell on cgt and artstationm marketplace? If the assumption is correct that a client goes to TS by default as a reflective action, "huh, there's another site, didn't know that! Site issues? And to be fair, you will never get exact 40% from squid either, because they have payout fees too and also they withold certain amount from US purchases. I hope I'll have better selling results there. Also, trying to find an item that I already saw through the search is near impossible. A own store where you can fill your offers with stuff found in the large pool would account for a thumbs up for the people hoes products get placed in those stores. I'd rather look into ways to create my own site, cause it's a bit tedious to sift through neverending site rules from neverending projects. Chat with Support 24/7 Thor (Rig) for Maya 15. adentonclark is 100 percent correct in this regard! We'll let you know about that soon - all CGT sellers will receive via email, so stay tuned! Cheap and free models are killing cgtrader. (so you basically pay for a fraud protection system for people hoe sell themselves out exclusively). Everything about it is ugly, i just sell a model on cgTrader and another model on Turbosquid, cgtrader gives me 71% and i feel ok , turbosquid gives me 40% and i feel like i get raped, besides its tedious way of uploading methods im done with those guys, i will stick with CGtrader, thanks for the information, still 60 to 40 is a big difference. To me this was a sign that people know about CGt and that users have at least two accounts. Founded in 2000, Turbosquid has championed growth in the 3D space through partnerships with leaders in the industry. this issue frequently occurs when a seller wants to break a competitor. Besides how about your right to fair trade? It's all fine and CGT rocks the socks off the competition. When I started on cgtrader I had more sales than on TS. Say you happen to be a great render and lighting specialist but not so well a modeler, you see this nice models that have potential but the presentation is very bad (from good modeler with no render skills). There are currently no models in your cart. Exclusivity to any marketplace has been proved a revenue loss. @captainmarlowe Thanks a lot for a lot of valid points regarding search and categorization! (2034950) 3D Every market needs time, every business needs it. The sellers for which, CGtrader liked can help for this resource. I will search on TS and when found right model I will maybe look at cgtrader if there is that same model for cheaper. In my experience often times a client will ask for certain models but then one must take into consideration what computer specs they have because you don't want your client to get frustrated with the models you buy. Some while ago someone (if he is real, can't even verify that) bought my snakebot model on Ts and he posted a nice comment. @IndieArt : So you definitively think that CGtrader's "change of focus" to 3D print sunk your sales? [http://www.google.com google5 ] I want to say the following. Got my model (https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/furniture/cabinet/handles-vol-01-pbr) And it offers a more strategic dimension. In that case on CGTrader buyer can contact seller directly and ask him/her to fix the issue. Term of Use on www.turbosquid.com. I think CGT should begin doing the same and promoting people for being exclusive to CGT after all that will help buyer confidence when they realize how many of their best artists are switching sides! If it is true that other sites are taking a higher margin and a larger slice of profit share, they have some kind of capital to work magic with, both with artists who are accepting less and buyers who are paying more. Click here to submit yours . CGtrader is just better in all possible ways. And if the buyer sees one and the same model on CGT and on TS, then the price will choose on CGTrader I really enjoy the chance to get to know other people's opinions and experiences regarding how they sell, network and do business and that is something I have only been able to do here on CGT. Products are subject to the TurboSquid, Inc. @limonadinis And yes .. "CG Trader has made their world about 3d printing". But based on the results, we see that it makes sense to show off the CG part on the homepage as well. I'm even considering seriously closing my store here. Ebay it's ALL about direct seller/customer relationship. I have been studying their website from a buyers perspective thoroughly and I have noticed that; 1. I think the CGT does an amazing job of bringing people together! 60% is an insult. Hi adentonclark, I imagine a totally different mentality is going on in the Ts room, where top talents probably just like to leave the building because a few individuals like to keep things in check (you know like in the old top down pyramidal structured way). High hopes for Cgtrader. Answer: IN my opinion Turbosquid is a great site for selling models. Does anyone sale something on Cgtrader?where are customers. If you have any questions about these. (this would be the core of the human sorting out system). Check out our picks of the best sites to download free 3D models for 3D printing, games & animation, graphic design, architecture, and more. Market your products turbo squid does that for you i understand but if your trying to sell you have to show the customers where its at. Think about the best online stores today when people search for lamps on Amazon they will only find lamps in their search and that is why they keep buying on Amazon because it is a highly efficient and professional site where the buyers don't get lost or frustrated looking for what they want and can spend their time searching for the best quality product based on their budget. IMHO that is main area where CGT must up their game significantly. Part of it is because they don't want to get scammed. After that response I selected all my models and took them offline. Large studios with "turbosquid" collaborate very limitedly. Luckily, non of my sells on TS were refunded so far and i had 3 refunds on CGT, 2 of them was caused by technical reasons from CGT side. Hopefully that would make squids to react. . You can change your subscription preferences at any time in the account settings. If you continue to price your models higher on TurboSquid, you will will not be able to publish your content on TurboSquid, and we will temporarily take your current models offline. For small buyers this is likely the case, but serious corporate buyers may have other priorities atop of lowest price. I dare to bed that those hoe left CGtrader a year ago to sign some exclusive contract to get the money a little bit faster will regret that decision rely badly next year. - Guides/Tips for sellers regarding prices/quality to minimize the undercutters problem. I'm even considering seriously closing my store here. The rewords for selling objects from others could for example be 1 CGcredit for tier 1, 2 for tier2, 3 for tier3, 4 for tier4 and so on. My initial idea was that Ts had some clients that do not know anything outside of Ts. Imagine how much resorces and efforts are used by those clowns for this greedy Best price quality nonsense. Some points for and against. [link="http://www.google.com"]google1[/link] This would allow genuine potential buyers to check the quality of models. Cgtrader better sell my shoes here than ts.plus webmoney plus royalty rate. Uploading new product is so much more intuitive and easier than TS. Blendswap.com5. Thank you again! Work directly with a 3D artist for your project. Thanks for your feedback, it really makes sense. It's the artist that need to make a stand and simply take the short term loss from less traffic and exposure and join the marketplace that respects the artists. Turbosquid has a horrendous up-loader Female 3D models Rigged 3D models are your best choice when you need a character or object to perform unique movements. (just playing with ideas here) In fact, any properly textured model over 5000 polys for less than 15 bucks is NOT okay, and does NOT look professional at all. See ourPrivacy Policyfor more information. That's how they won and that is how you succeed in business. Maybe I live in an unrealistic parallel reality, where at least some people still have some dignity and know how and when to differentiate good vs evil and take a public stand with actions instead of just words. Gumroad is an awesome virtual marketplace where artists can create their own store and sell any type of digital asset, from textures to tutorial series. The very best thing I find on CGT is the disponibility of the team. ! Don't forget those young people are going to shape the future of this market and if we want to have a flourishing market then we need lots of well trained people in it. In my understanding, for CG models, there are three main trends : large public with various expectations and low budget (roughly, poser people) ; professionals needing a good quality model quick and ready to pay for that (roughly, TS buyers), programmers wanting to create video games in search of game ready assets. I think we just need so some massive killer models of epic proportions that the 3D modeling community cant ignore. i have sold it to millenium shipping containers amongst other professional business. The people at the top of the pyramid scheme bully all the new modelers who show any sales success because they barely scrape by as it is so it is really bad work environment to work for Turbosquid is not worth your time. Full collections of objects for 12 bucks is NOT okay. After all everyone can afford to put down 1 dollar so it is reasonable. what you say doesn't make any sense because CGTrader has a 100 percent guarantee return policy on all models as far as I know. taken offline. You can change your subscription preferences at any time in the account settings. Honestly I feel that it would be better to sell n bit slower that to have your models stolen. In fact I hope that once buyers begin to see the difference in quality on this site they will jump ship but the thing that still trips up CGTrader is the consumer confidence. What insane kind of practice is that, who owns the work then? https://garagedoorrepairchesapeake.com/garage-door-replacement/. There is a lamp that looks pretty cool (Gervasoni Bolla Floor light), and is supposedly free. Often offer to buy the models in 1020 times more expensive than the price at which the model was exhibited for sale. So even if TS takes 60%, I still make better profit there because here I get 94% of nothing. To be honest, when I first found this site a few days ago I was really excited. ,,Checkmate,, from TS was actually invented by Jonathan Lloyd, the person who ruined Pixel SQUID :). - Limiting free objects to, let's say licensed objects like Stars Wars or Lego or whatever in an unlimited number, but to a few when it comes to "showcase" objects, let's say, 4 to 5 per designer, to help potential buyer judge the overall quality of the seller objects Yep.. @tomislavveg, that is very true, but as marvimation already mentioned, CGT first have to draw those buyers to its web, otherwise there's not much use from all those benefits if there's no buyers who could reap them :]. Thank you. CGTrader remains a young and very responsive team and listening to members - it's a great quality. Everything we do is going on between people, we are all in this together, none of us is separate now matter how hard we would like to think so. We've been there, even being "Squid Guild exclusive" for some time to test the experience ourselves for real, and after more than 10 years with all our experiences and stats in hand we can state without a doubt that the business model offered by Turbosquid doesn't pay off in the mid-long term. Maybe the home page should be a very simple page with only two huge buttons [CG models] and [3D Printing]. So just to be constructive (and this will be my last post here, because I don't want to hijack the thread anymore, here are some ideas : 3D is great for creating things that can restore old products. I don't get paid until the 3rd, but I thought I'd download some things, look at their quality, fill up a cart and get prepared to purchase when the money comes around. You need to find what you want based on category and budget and purchase it quickly so you can use the product or send it to who will. But if you are on Turbosquid as an exclusive sale (models will be sold only on the website TurboSquid), Cgtrader can lose and this position, in favor of TS I'm glad CGtrader and its community of supporters is able to make this situation come to an end. I think the TS percentage is pretty much an outrage considering the low price of the products being sold. Sales dropped to almost nothing. Offering customers best prices on TurboSquid is mandatory for all artists publishing on TurboSquid. I do feel cg trader gives the artists a better price and the share is fair . CGtrader is founded upon the best ideas and the people hoe believe in it and keep supporting it no matter what and hard work and determination always win. https://www.turbosquid.com/3d-models/cathedral-paris-notre-dame-3d-obj/933856?referral=pit_zavra But I think that CheckMate was especially created to bring artists to exclusivity, rather than promote quality. Then we're all back at Square one again. Cgtrader cannot compare to certain 3d markets. We can't even communicate on Ts, and that in an age of supper connectivity, it's just the world on his head. 3. Contact your Shutterstock Customer Success Manager, + blend c4d xsi ma lwo 3ds dae dxf fbx obj X, + c4d unitypackage upk max ma c4d max ma fbx max, $10,000 in Legal Protection (Indemnification), Uncapped Legal Protection (Indemnification), $1,000,000 in Legal Protection (Indemnification), $250,000 in Legal Protection (Indemnification). Of course Matt Wisdom was disoriented and he was associated with Pixel SQUID bankruptcy. 2. Contact your Shutterstock Customer Success Manager, + blend c4d xsi ma lwo 3ds dae dxf fbx obj X, $10,000 in Legal Protection (Indemnification), Uncapped Legal Protection (Indemnification), $1,000,000 in Legal Protection (Indemnification), $250,000 in Legal Protection (Indemnification). A: TurboS*swearword-here* will start to DOWNTICK PRICES to match them to "other selling sites" on customer complaint, so I will remove every model they demand for down-adjustment, and I'm sure I won't be alone in this. I hope to find same courage someday ;-) This is hight quality female model with animation friendly topology. I see what you mean but I think it depends on how you are covering markets. CGtrader might have better conditions, rules and everything but it's useless if it doesn't attract more buyers. Saied this couple of times in the past, leverage the difference in royalty to provide a slightly better offer over here, otherwise customers hoe have a Ts account will see no need to make one here to buy same model for same price. Allot of snags and details need to be worked out in order to make this sorts of things happen but the main idea here is to have complimentary forces working together to make a better product. This is a totally separate "operation" that is going on under the acquisitions of CGstudio and T3DFM, which serve also as noisy cover to "wag the dog". ;), My thoughts exactly.. 3d Printing could be very profitable (for CG Trader, and the modelers) What I saw after that was a 50 to 50 ration decrease on Ts and increase on my CGt account. Think about your future: CGtrader has been growing steadily faster than Turbosquid for several years, that's why they are making this desperate "first blood" move asking their Investors for an extra cash to buy Sellers out against Marius and his people, with the promise that they will fuck you to death later once the war is won for the #SquidClan. Is it the return guarantee if not satisfied? Well, unless I can verify the quality of the model I'm not going to pay for most things. I can't download that lamp and see it's quality myself - so why would I purchase anything from the creator when I don't know if I'll be satisfied? And in terms of openness and freedom CGTrader is the first. This is a bit OT, but although I obviously ain't a squidguild member, I always try to design objects that are "checkmate" compliant to be sure that my models are OK, and I also beta test the .OBJ version in a lot of other applications that LW to be sure that they upload without hassle) The basic approach would be that every user start with a selection of a store template (including own label option and menu creation capability's) and starts filling his store with own products and products found in the large collective database. This is critical information (to me at least) in regard to evolution and overall development of the products and services you want to deliver. I'm about to bail on this site now - unless I can find any other topics that I might be qualified to post toapparently if I'm friendly enough I can earn some points, but it's seriously unlikely that I'll find any topics to which I can actually contribute. If you think life is hard as a buyer you should try modeling for a living Making any money is a truly miserable experience. There is plenty of "undercutters" everywhere and some short-sighted content developers that seem to only care about quick cash-grabs and most of the time doesn't even have enough data to state a valid opinion based on the contrast of facts over medium-long periods of time. I left all but . found jet another working example that makes CGt stand out. If that is the case then better not to become exclusive! When pressed, Turbosquid could give no clearer specification than "it is too similar". CGtrader delivers the best basic structure to bring fort this new and healthy next gen market place. (Edge loops, quad poly, simple overall structure) Full Rigged with over 30 facial blendshapes and 20+ skin morph targets in order to produce better rig quality and remove some joints issues such as overlaped knees, stretched hips, etc. Regards, You know what is cgtrader but as firstcomer you must have strong impression that this is 3d printing site where you can buy new 3d printed iphone case which will be shipped to you. My current store on CGTrader includes numerous items that were deemed to be infringing upon GW IP (link below). Right now, low quality models flooding this site are attracting the low budget people - that's certainly why high quality objects with pricings in accordance don't sell that much. Difference in quality of search results is shockingly vast in favor of TS. I don't know how reputation points work for sellers, they may work fine if you're an actual modeler, but for end-users it's just a dead-end. Every freelancer is corporation of it's own. Remember The3DStudio? And something ells , I have seen people criticize the young inexperienced and even blame them to some point for some negative experiences over here. But it should be also possible to turn this filter off. No, I don't think it's just about SEO. I have it is about 5%. In my country you have to be adult to do bussines and legal stuff. Hey there, But i think CGT nows that pretty well, that's why they decided to bring changes in royalty policy and hopefully they will steer additional cash flow towards making this stock market more attractive to the buyers. Also, trying to find an item that I already saw through the search is near impossible. Dude, I have from 500$ a month at SGtride and i don't feed fat Turbosquid bastards. And reasons can be any. We made this limitation to protect our designers from leechers who download hundreds of free models and then try to monetize them in some other way. If I run the same test on Turbosquid or The3DStudio, I get almost exclusively original characters. Then they would only find the relevant models and get to purchasing them right away. How about all products here have no restriction Google search.etc. TS staff do their best and is not responsible for the strategic choice of TS 2. We need to broaden our spectrum and clientele if we want to make more money. [google14]url:http://www.google.com. Regarding response time, i respond to my buyers within 10 minutes unless im in bed and someone from other part of the world is trying to reach me. Search is arguably most important feature of stocks and search in TS is head and shoulders (and then some more) above search in CGT. They customize those figures anyway you want. Buyers tend to look for things based on the category and budget and like to be able to put two products side by side to compare them and get a better understanding of why one is better than the other or which product is more suitable for them as an individual. Checkmate is the only good thing Turbosquid has left to offer. At least some aspects of it. If there is a problem they will fix it for you. https://vimeo.com/739678 I think arguments of differences in search are irrelevant when someone is looking for the same model to compare prices between the two biggest players. NoneCg I've read almost all your information regarding the public issues. Ts indeed was able to maneuver into a very dominant position regarding the Autodesk partnership, allot of us are very familiar with that place because of it. I remember that too! What would be your opinion? - Forcing people to choose a proper tagging to their objects so that we don't get scanned high poly print-ready objects in the way when we tick the "low-poly" filter, $300 + (280) $200 to $300 (315) $100 to . Anyway, there is still some ocasional Turbosquid fanboy that bashes CGtrader and promotes Turbosquid in public forums and social media while writes this in TS forums at the same time: Another thing that drove me crazy about Turbosquid was how you couldn't promote any of your social media and it made it very difficult to get your clients from let's say Facebook and Twitter to notice your artwork. [13google->http://www.google.com/] Royalty rate of CGTrader allows the seller to make a model cheaper than on TurboSquid. Ah crap, not sure how that referal spam sneaked into turbosquid link, here is the clean one: https://www.turbosquid.com/3d-models/cathedral-paris-notre-dame-3d-obj/933856, I think that subsequently only large studios and squidguild members will remain there. I ended up terminating my account, seeing as I couldn't operate the store under such conditions - not only did I risk having the work I'd put in uploading items undone at any moment, I also had no idea what pitfalls I had to avoid to not have items taken down. However, the behavior of these clients kept me thinking and I had some dilemmas about what was actually going on here. At the moment i think its more a community of sellers and not so much of buyers. Speaking of it, noting even stops me here from adding in the description of the model something like this,"If you are a maya exeprt and can successful convert this project, then I will completely refund you in exchange for that converted maya file". I was thinking of ok if the ts is shit why not using other marketplace with the cgt specially if both accept selling in other marketplace, You have zero 3D models uploaded here. With the support of a strong community we can get this thing going, don't worry about that. That's just an easy question to answer 1. Recently I've been trying to contact my old clients and buyers and although they still have an interest in my models they don't quite trust CGT with their money. Like time spent on searching models or ability to get profesional support 24/7. Your account is not in CGtrader and I can't see your models, and judging by the link in your comment you are just a spammer. - Once in a while, alert all designers that a cleaning operation will be made, and wipe out objects that are of a too bad quality or copyright infringements. Absurd as it may sound, a lot of customers doesn't even make a simple "XXXX 3D model" search and go to Turbosquid just because that's a name they heard before. Hi from Will and Mr Data :) :] CGtrader is everything Ts is not, CGtader is fair, its open and communicative in all directions, its an inexpensive service, its new and more efficient, has lots of exiting tools, have more sales and get to keep bigger part, its growing fast, its updating and improving fast, etc, etc,. It's like if shapeways.com will start selling classic "cg" models. A real pointless task. The next thing CGT needs to do is get in with Ebay, Amazon, walmart etc places where everyone buys not just 3D enthusiasts and that regular people trust with their money. They don't allow you to communicate with the customer, with Turbosquid support acting as a "human firewall" (and a bad one) that is constantly supervising every interaction to ensure that Turbosquid always gets the best outcome (and neither the seller nor the customer). It's true. It always depends on how you look at this industry from your point of view: - Are you into this market trying to make a living out of it? To my amazement something ells also happened, there where still a few people buying my more expensive models on Ts. So true! It is also wise to invest in good ideas that are future proof. 4. Searching for specific terms applying to a specific model, the results on Google are nearly on first page. The reason the model is sold at low price .some models have so many other sellers which can lose models value . And at the same time, if they periodically do something here, try to add something new, then the TS, as long as I remember it, does not particularly try to become convenient (But at the same time it takes most of the profit !!!). [url=http://www.google.com]google2[/url] On "woman", print-ready jewels and scanned models again come in the way. There are very few modelers out there who can actually support themselves financially doing this and whenever one of us sells anything it is a little like winning the lottery. the only advantages in cgtrader are the big rates for clients. You must create a huge hype and create things that are unique and that connect with people. See this GFXHub where you needed to pay a fee before you could download 3d models of Humster3d, Turbosquid and many other. I think CG Trader should remain working with printing, however, it's main concern should be CG :D, I would opt for a system that integrates different stores each with its own label/trademark placed under one common trademark (for sake of organization and readability), CGtraders main trademark would then function as a placeholder/main hub for many different sub stores.